Comments on: Tips for better black and white conversions http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/ The latest news about the top pixel wrangling application on the planet. Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:21:07 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: sfleury http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/comment-page-1/#comment-14503 sfleury Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:39:50 +0000 http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/#comment-14503 Dear Martin, I really enjoyed this video, clear and concise - super. It was close to what I've been looking for but I'm not sure if it is there yet! Please can I explain - I'm working with 5x4 and 10x8 B&W negatives scanned as RGB (16BIT) and then converting them to B&W images. My question was whether I should follow the advice in this video or whether you could advise on a way of working with these negatives in lightroom? Thanks again, and for any help you could offer. Dear Martin,
I really enjoyed this video, clear and concise – super. It was close to what I’ve been looking for but I’m not sure if it is there yet! Please can I explain – I’m working with 5×4 and 10×8 B&W negatives scanned as RGB (16BIT) and then converting them to B&W images. My question was whether I should follow the advice in this video or whether you could advise on a way of working with these negatives in lightroom?
Thanks again, and for any help you could offer.

]]> By: Elgenper http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/comment-page-1/#comment-9854 Elgenper Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:19:48 +0000 http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/#comment-9854 An excellent tutorial; thanks a lot! I was using a similar method in Photoshop, with HSL and colour adjustment layers, and it seems to be a good technique in Lightroom, too. Btw, I see from the final two images of the filmstrip in the tutorial that you visited Stockholm; hope you enjoyed your stay! And, welcome back! An excellent tutorial; thanks a lot! I was using a similar method in Photoshop, with HSL and colour adjustment layers, and it seems to be a good technique in Lightroom, too.

Btw, I see from the final two images of the filmstrip in the tutorial that you visited Stockholm; hope you enjoyed your stay! And, welcome back!

]]> By: Martin Evening http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/comment-page-1/#comment-9779 Martin Evening Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:47:06 +0000 http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/#comment-9779 Hi Gloria, Sorry for the delay, I have been away on holiday. To be honest I can't tell you why exactly it is that the blue channel noise can be less noticeable using the HSL method compared to the grayscale mixer method. I know that the Black and White adjustment in Photoshop CS3 is mixing the channels the same way as you could with the Channel Mixer adjustment. But I can't describe for you how the the HSL controls work exactly, but they appear to work similarly to how the Hue/Saturation adjustment in Photoshop works (only a lot better and with a more truer response in my opinion). As an internal tester I did do a lot of testing with some sky image files to help the engineers refine the blue colour conversions for the grayscale mixer (which is certianly improved upon the earlier public betas). But still I find myself preferring to use the HSL method in cases like this. And yes, there is a section in the book about using this method of black and white adjustment along with a few other black and white conversion tips. Martin Hi Gloria,

Sorry for the delay, I have been away on holiday. To be honest I can’t tell you why exactly it is that the blue channel noise can be less noticeable using the HSL method compared to the grayscale mixer method. I know that the Black and White adjustment in Photoshop CS3 is mixing the channels the same way as you could with the Channel Mixer adjustment. But I can’t describe for you how the the HSL controls work exactly, but they appear to work similarly to how the Hue/Saturation adjustment in Photoshop works (only a lot better and with a more truer response in my opinion).

As an internal tester I did do a lot of testing with some sky image files to help the engineers refine the blue colour conversions for the grayscale mixer (which is certianly improved upon the earlier public betas). But still I find myself preferring to use the HSL method in cases like this. And yes, there is a section in the book about using this method of black and white adjustment along with a few other black and white conversion tips.

Martin

]]> By: Seamus Finn http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/comment-page-1/#comment-9776 Seamus Finn Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:36:31 +0000 http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/#comment-9776 Outstanding. Imagine trying all that in the old darkroom!! Outstanding. Imagine trying all that in the old darkroom!!

]]> By: gwilson http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/comment-page-1/#comment-9774 gwilson Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:25:11 +0000 http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/#comment-9774 Wonderful video, Martin. Thank you. I have a question about how this all works! These sliders, am I correct in guessing that they are not adjusting color channels, as the channel mixer in PS does, but are adjusting color in the way of selective color in PS? And why is there such an improvement in noise using the HSL sliders? Maybe this is covered in your book--I did have a copy, but unfortunately left it behind on a photo trip to Italy. I'll have to order a new new one! Gloria Wonderful video, Martin. Thank you. I have a question about how this all works! These sliders, am I correct in guessing that they are not adjusting color channels, as the channel mixer in PS does, but are adjusting color in the way of selective color in PS?
And why is there such an improvement in noise using the HSL sliders?
Maybe this is covered in your book–I did have a copy, but unfortunately left it behind on a photo trip to Italy. I’ll have to order a new new one!
Gloria

]]> By: Rob http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/comment-page-1/#comment-9766 Rob Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:57:54 +0000 http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/#comment-9766 Thanks for clearing that up!! Much appreciated. Thanks for clearing that up!! Much appreciated.

]]> By: Martin Evening http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/comment-page-1/#comment-9765 Martin Evening Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:22:58 +0000 http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/#comment-9765 Sorry about that guys. I did of course mean that you should check the Color Adjustments settings check box (it does kind of throw you that the Saturation box is grouped in this section and not with the other Basic settings). But anyway, the video has been edited to show the correct setting box to check. Sorry about that guys. I did of course mean that you should check the Color Adjustments settings check box (it does kind of throw you that the Saturation box is grouped in this section and not with the other Basic settings). But anyway, the video has been edited to show the correct setting box to check.

]]> By: Mark Sirota http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/comment-page-1/#comment-9762 Mark Sirota Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:59:31 +0000 http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/#comment-9762 The problem that adias and Rob are having is that Martin was incorrect about which box to check. The "Saturation" box is for the Saturation slider in the Basic panel, and the "Color Adjustments" box is for the HSL/Color/Grayscale panel. The problem that adias and Rob are having is that Martin was incorrect about which box to check.

The “Saturation” box is for the Saturation slider in the Basic panel, and the “Color Adjustments” box is for the HSL/Color/Grayscale panel.

]]> By: Rob http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/comment-page-1/#comment-9761 Rob Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:27:48 +0000 http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/#comment-9761 Thanks for the tutorial! However, I am having the same experience as adias, and using the same system. If I uncheck any of the sub-settings under Color the checkbox next to Color changes from a checkmark to just a pale green fill, unlike the hyphen that appears in your video. I can still save the preset, but it does not function (no change occurs when employed) unless I leave all the sub-settings checked (then it works). Any thoughts on what is happening? Thanks for the tutorial!

However, I am having the same experience as adias, and using the same system.

If I uncheck any of the sub-settings under Color the checkbox next to Color changes from a checkmark to just a pale green fill, unlike the hyphen that appears in your video.

I can still save the preset, but it does not function (no change occurs when employed) unless I leave all the sub-settings checked (then it works).

Any thoughts on what is happening?

]]> By: adias http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/comment-page-1/#comment-9757 adias Sun, 26 Aug 2007 00:05:00 +0000 http://lightroom-news.com/2007/08/24/tips-for-better-black-and-white-conversions/#comment-9757 I found that the preset only works if I save the full color block, not only the Sat box. I found that the preset only works if I save the full color block, not only the Sat box.

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